Simulation query

in article d3han7$nnf$4@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk, Richard P. Grant at
rpg14.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk.invalid wrote on 4/12/05 1:23 PM:

 > I was a guest in another house, where one particularly sleepy morning,
 > I poured the boiling water into the instant coffee jar. It was brand
 > new and full too.

I bet that was a strong cuppa.

Michael
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rpg14 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk.invalid (Richard P. Grant) wrote:

 > Devi Jankowicz wrote:
  > > Is there a modern version of ELITE?
  > > This marvellous game ran on the BBC micro about 25 years ago.
 >
 > Will you stop the bloody spamming already?

'Already'?
A wee bit self-conscious, don't you think?

And 'Spamming'?
Perhaps you might look up the word in a big book with lots of big
letters.

In the meanwhile, why not simply say that I've irritated you by
repeating my enquiry?

(Your irritation being your problem, not mine, d'you see?)

Kind regards,
Devi
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rpg14.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid (Richard P. Grant) wrote:

 > Devi Jankowicz wrote:
  > >
  > > In the meanwhile, why not simply say that I've irritated you by
  > > repeating my enquiry?
 >
 > Across several newsgroups.
 >
 > Bah. Whoever let NTL have a usenet feed?

'Bah', even! You _are_ an old grouch, aren't you? Suddenly it's not just
my fault, it's NTL's!

And you _still_ haven't looked up 'spamming' in a big book with lots of
words, have you, Richard?

Kindly allow me to teach you some etiquette.

One does a search of appropriate web-based discussion group FAQs.
Assuming the query hasn't been answered, one then approaches Usenet
groups, as many as are relevant but (since many groups specify it in
their Charters) preferably no more than four in total.
Where it makes sense, one seeks to vary the text according to the
particular special interests the newsgroups support.

Spamming is where an identical message is sent to numerous newsgroups
regardless of the topics to which those newsgroups are devoted. Not the
case with my query.

Of course, the final item in this specification is that one expects
helpful and informed responses. I have to say that your own has been the
only one which was neither.

Kind regards,
Devi
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rpg14.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk.invalid (Richard P. Grant) wrote:

 > Devi Jankowicz wrote:
  > >
  > > Kindly allow me to teach you some etiquette.
 >
 > Go on, tell me how long you've been using usenet, too.
 >
 > Blessings.

is this a sense of humour or of proportion?
Love it in any event!

Kind regards,
Devi
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rpg14.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk.invalid (Richard P. Grant) wrote:

 > Devi Jankowicz wrote:


  > >
   > >> Devi Jankowicz wrote:
   > >> >
   > >> > Kindly allow me to teach you some etiquette.
   > >>
   > >> Go on, tell me how long you've been using usenet, too.
   > >>
   > >> Blessings.
  > >
  > > is this a sense of humour or of proportion?
 >
 > As you should know, the last thing any of us can afford is a sense of
 > proportion.
 >
 > Now we're being civil and not patronising to each other, let me make a
 > suggestion. When you cross-post to a number of groups (3, 4, I'm not
 > arguing about that) please *cross-post*, don't send essentially the same
 > message 3 or four times. You're using MT-NW (good choice, by the way) so
 > it's possible to do that. The reason is that then, when people read one
 > message in one group, the same message in all the other groups is then
 > automatically marked as read. It's just polite to do that. You can
 > redirect all follow-ups to the same plavce, if you like, as long as you
 > make that clear in the body of your post.
 >
 > Next - wait at least a week before reposting the same request. I was
 > actually on the verge of answering your post in this group (I'd written a
 > paragraph) when I saw you'd dismissed Oolite, so I quit the posting.
 > Then 3 days later I saw you ask the same question in all the same groups,
 > separately, I got a bit narked.

I'm not sure how closely you read my messages. I certainly hadn't
dismissed Oolite. I enjoy it and spend far too much time with it.

From my remarks about netiquette, you could well have inferred that I
have already checked out the Oolite community. (Or of course you could
have looked there, and discovered that I am indeed a member. Why
bother-- I wouldn't have, in your shoes-- but then I wouldn't have
assumed, after reading a set of remarks about checking web-based sources
before posting to newsgroups, that I didn't know about that community.)

 > Simon Slavin said essentially what the state of play is. I'd recommend
 > you stick with Oolite; yeah, the graphics are a bit retro but there's a
 > good community at <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php" target="_blank">http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php</a> and you never know,
 > someone might want to pick it up and do something with the graphics.

Perhaps. I'm not sure. The point about Oolite _is_ that it's retro. I
was looking for a game that might combine first-person simulation with
trading and good graphics; a different beast altogether, as I made clear
(which, incidentally, is why I posted to both a Mac simulation group and
a Mac strategy group).

 > Currently, you are *not* going to get the graphics of Nova (they're
 > sprite-based and a bit pants really though, aren't they?) with the
 > gameplay of Elite on the Mac. Oolite (or X-Plane on Mars) are the
 > closest you'll get.

Okay! That's definitive and addresses my original query. V helpful,
thanks. A shame that my abrasiveness and your irritation got in the way
for a while. Water, bridge, live, learn, etc.

 >Giles, Oolite's author, is *very* amenable to
 > suggestions.

He is, isn't he? But I wouldn't dream of asking Giles Williams to make
the sort of changes I've described. The outcome wouldn't be anything
like the Elite suite of games that he's preserved and improved for
everyone through his commitment to them, and their particular style, and
I don't see why he'd want to do that.

 > Register on the BB, get the feel of the community, and
 > make a contribution. You might enjoy it.

See above, unwarranted assumptions, etc. (Seeing as we've both turned
over a new leaf and are talking to each other in a non-patronising
way...)

Kind regards,
Devi
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Richard P. Grant wrote:

 > I'm Mad Dan Eccles.

No you're not, you're a twat who can't even manage a decent flame war.
Pah, young people today. You wouldn't have seen all this civility and
good sense oozing out in my day, and I've been using newsgroups since
Hitler was in short pants.

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in article 1gv46dd.bfftaracpcbaN%pd.news@dsl.pipex.invalid, PeterD at
pd.news.TakeThisOut@dsl.pipex.invalid wrote on 4/16/05 5:51 AM:

 > ...I've been using newsgroups since Hitler was in short pants.

Bet you had to scratch your messages in clay tablets and set them out in the
sun to bake before you could send them on, eh?

Michael
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Michael Emrys wrote:

 > Bet you had to scratch your messages in clay tablets and set them out in the
 > sun to bake before you could send them on, eh?

It wasn't truly a newsgroup until people started complying with RFC 1149
for sending messages.
<http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt>
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