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user638

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: Switching between Airport and wired Ethernet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article ,
jack ak wrote:

> Clark Martin wrote:
> > In article ,
> > jack ak wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I eventually determined the message box was a complaint about the
> >> non-working Ethernet en0 port. I removed the Ethernet connection
> >> from Automatic and the other "location". There are about a dozen
> >> com.apple.xxx files in the "...user - Library - Preferences - ByHost
> >> folder.
> >>
> >> These files have the 6 hex digit Ethernet port address embedded in
> >> the filename. I've deleted the folder several times but it returns
> >> and the applications act as though they have never been initialized.
> >>
> >> I don't understand why my computer "thinks" there *should be*
> >> a functioning Ethernet port when it is not configured.
> >> Maybe in "Mac OS X Update" (10.5.12) this will be fixed.
> >>
> >
> > ByHost uses your built in Ethernet Port MAC Address (the 6 hex digit
> > number) to uniquely identify your computer. The Airport MAC address
> > will never be used (with the likely exception of the MacBook Air). It
> > really has nothing to do with Ethernet, it's just using the Ethernet
> > port Mac Address as a machine serial number.
> >
> > ByHost is used in the event you move your HD to another computer. It
> > would then create distinct preference files for that computer based on
> > it's Ethernet MAC Address.
> >
>
> Ok, how do I stop the "Connection failed - Server may not exist.."
> message box from appearing? It keeps some functions disabled until
> it is dismissed. Zoom won't work while this message box is displayed.

That sounds like something trying to connect to a server that is
not accessable, not an attempt to use ethernet.

If you don't know, you could install "Little Snitch" (even in the
5 minute demo mode) this should tell you which application(s) is
trying to make network connections.

> Related question...
> Why are there only 12 applications dependent on the Ethernet address?

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jack ak

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Since: Sep 29, 2007
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:38 am
Post subject: Re: Switching between Airport and wired Ethernet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Bob Harris wrote:
> In article ,
> jack ak wrote:
>
>> Clark Martin wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> jack ak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I eventually determined the message box was a complaint about the
>>>> non-working Ethernet en0 port. I removed the Ethernet connection
>>>> from Automatic and the other "location". There are about a dozen
>>>> com.apple.xxx files in the "...user - Library - Preferences - ByHost
>>>> folder.
>>>>
>>>> These files have the 6 hex digit Ethernet port address embedded in
>>>> the filename. I've deleted the folder several times but it returns
>>>> and the applications act as though they have never been initialized.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand why my computer "thinks" there *should be*
>>>> a functioning Ethernet port when it is not configured.
>>>> Maybe in "Mac OS X Update" (10.5.12) this will be fixed.
>>>>
>>> ByHost uses your built in Ethernet Port MAC Address (the 6 hex digit
>>> number) to uniquely identify your computer. The Airport MAC address
>>> will never be used (with the likely exception of the MacBook Air). It
>>> really has nothing to do with Ethernet, it's just using the Ethernet
>>> port Mac Address as a machine serial number.
>>>
>>> ByHost is used in the event you move your HD to another computer. It
>>> would then create distinct preference files for that computer based on
>>> it's Ethernet MAC Address.
>>>
>> Ok, how do I stop the "Connection failed - Server may not exist.."
>> message box from appearing? It keeps some functions disabled until
>> it is dismissed. Zoom won't work while this message box is displayed.
>
> That sounds like something trying to connect to a server that is
> not accessable, not an attempt to use ethernet.
>

The "Server may not exist" message refers to an Ethernet server.
When I connect an Ethernet cable to my 2Wire 2701HG-B Gateway router
2 rooms away, the message doesn't appear. The Gateway router provides
a Wireless access point which is preferable to visitors tripping over
the cable running across the hallway.

It's unfortunate I'm not presented with an option to not display the
"Server may not exist..." message box. I know it doesn't exist since
I don't use the Ethernet interface. When that message box was appearing
in another "Space" I didn't realize what was hanging up my computer.
One cannot use "Zoom" before that message box is closed.

I usually keep an iPod connected so when the computer is started iTunes
is launched. I moved iTunes to "Space 1" where the missing Ethernet
connection message box displays on top of the iTunes screen.

Try booting your computer with the Ethernet cable disconnected
to see what is displayed.

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Richard Maine

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:38 am
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jack ak wrote:

> The "Server may not exist" message refers to an Ethernet server.

There is no such thing as an "ethernet server".

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jack ak

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:22 am
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Richard Maine wrote:
> jack ak wrote:
>
>> The "Server may not exist" message refers to an Ethernet server.
>
> There is no such thing as an "ethernet server".
>

c/server/service/
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David Empson

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:44 am
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jack ak wrote:

> Bob Harris wrote:
> > In article ,
> > jack ak wrote:
> >
> >> Clark Martin wrote:
> >>> In article ,
> >>> jack ak wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I eventually determined the message box was a complaint about the
> >>>> non-working Ethernet en0 port. I removed the Ethernet connection
> >>>> from Automatic and the other "location". There are about a dozen
> >>>> com.apple.xxx files in the "...user - Library - Preferences - ByHost
> >>>> folder.
> >>>>
> >>>> These files have the 6 hex digit Ethernet port address embedded in
> >>>> the filename. I've deleted the folder several times but it returns
> >>>> and the applications act as though they have never been initialized.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand why my computer "thinks" there *should be*
> >>>> a functioning Ethernet port when it is not configured.
> >>>> Maybe in "Mac OS X Update" (10.5.12) this will be fixed.
> >>>>
> >>> ByHost uses your built in Ethernet Port MAC Address (the 6 hex digit
> >>> number) to uniquely identify your computer. The Airport MAC address
> >>> will never be used (with the likely exception of the MacBook Air). It
> >>> really has nothing to do with Ethernet, it's just using the Ethernet
> >>> port Mac Address as a machine serial number.
> >>>
> >>> ByHost is used in the event you move your HD to another computer. It
> >>> would then create distinct preference files for that computer based on
> >>> it's Ethernet MAC Address.
> >>>
> >> Ok, how do I stop the "Connection failed - Server may not exist.."
> >> message box from appearing? It keeps some functions disabled until
> >> it is dismissed. Zoom won't work while this message box is displayed.
> >
> > That sounds like something trying to connect to a server that is
> > not accessable, not an attempt to use ethernet.
>
> The "Server may not exist" message refers to an Ethernet server.
> When I connect an Ethernet cable to my 2Wire 2701HG-B Gateway router
> 2 rooms away, the message doesn't appear.

In that case you have some software on your Mac which is trying to
connect to a particular server, which is only accessible via Ethernet,
and the software is complaining in a silly manner if it can't connect to
the server.

The fact that the server happens to be accessible via Ethernet is
irrelevant. You won't be able to fix the problem by fiddling with your
Ethernet settings or network preferences, or disabling the Ethernet
port. (That is MORE likely to make the error message appear, since it
may prevent your Mac from being able to access the server even if the
Ethernet cable was connected.)

You need to identify what it is on your Mac that is trying to connect to
that server and tell it to stop doing that, otherwise it will keep
complaining if it can't talk to the server.

Exactly what functions is that server providing to your Mac? For
example, is it a file server (in which case, what protocols), a web
server, DNS server, DHCP server, or something else? For what purposes
have you told your Mac to connect to that server?

In an earlier message, you said:
> At each machine boot, there is an message box which says
>
> "Connection failed - Server may not exist..."

At which point during "machine boot" does this message appear? What
applications are running at the point this message appears?

Without more detailed information I'm only guessing, but the most likely
explanation is that you have managed to set up an automatic connection
to a file server when you log in to your account on the Mac. If so, you
would get the same error appearing each time you log in (e.g. if you log
out, then log in again) without the Ethernet cable connected.

Have a look in your Login Items, in your account under System
Preferences, Accounts. What items are listed there?

A related possibility is that one application you are running as a login
item has been configured to connect to a server in some way, and it is
that application which is complaining.

Similarly, it could be an application you are launching by hand each
time you start up the computer.

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jack ak

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:10 pm
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jack ak wrote:
> Clark Martin wrote:
>> In article ,
>> jack ak wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I eventually determined the message box was a complaint about the
>>> non-working Ethernet en0 port. I removed the Ethernet connection
>>> from Automatic and the other "location". There are about a dozen
>>> com.apple.xxx files in the "...user - Library - Preferences - ByHost
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> These files have the 6 hex digit Ethernet port address embedded in
>>> the filename. I've deleted the folder several times but it returns
>>> and the applications act as though they have never been initialized.
>>>
>>> I don't understand why my computer "thinks" there *should be*
>>> a functioning Ethernet port when it is not configured.
>>> Maybe in "Mac OS X Update" (10.5.12) this will be fixed.
>>>
>>
>> ByHost uses your built in Ethernet Port MAC Address (the 6 hex digit
>> number) to uniquely identify your computer. The Airport MAC address
>> will never be used (with the likely exception of the MacBook Air). It
>> really has nothing to do with Ethernet, it's just using the Ethernet
>> port Mac Address as a machine serial number.
>>
>> ByHost is used in the event you move your HD to another computer. It
>> would then create distinct preference files for that computer based on
>> it's Ethernet MAC Address.
>>
>
> Ok, how do I stop the "Connection failed - Server may not exist.."
> message box from appearing? It keeps some functions disabled until
> it is dismissed. Zoom won't work while this message box is displayed.
>
>

I found the solution to my problem with the unexpected message box.
My Account's Login Items included

SpeechSynthesisServer
iTunesHelper
AirPort Base Station Agent

I removed all three from Login Items and the
"Connection failed - Server may not exist.."
message at boot time disappeared.

I don't know how those items got there since
Login Items in Accounts was "new" to me,
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Lewis

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:10 pm
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jack ak

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:09 pm
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Lewis wrote:
> In article ,
> jack ak wrote:
>> SpeechSynthesisServer
>> iTunesHelper
>
> These two are standard login items.
>
>> AirPort Base Station Agent
>
> So, I suspect at one...
>

My Son who knows Apple software better than I do was here on Friday.
He removed Airport Base Station Agent which had no effect on
the problem.

Sometime later, I removed the other two items and the problem
disappeared. While experimenting, Son added a Guest account
which didn't have the problem. Another user account that
has been here for sometime didn't have the problem or any
standard login items.

BTW, iTunesHelper was listed with Unknown in Kind column.
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