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Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: Hypercard and SheepShaver Archived from groups: comp>sys>mac>hypercard (more info?)

Anybody using intensivly Hypercard under Sheepshaver environement, and wanting to share about (eventual) little or big problems? For me, one problem in my stacks is that I no longer have any custom or standard cursors excepted the arrow... -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Mark

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain.DeleteThis@bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > Anybody using intensivly Hypercard under Sheepshaver > environement, and wanting to share about (eventual) > little or big problems? > > For me, one problem in my stacks is that I no longer > have any custom or standard cursors excepted the arrow... It works fine for me. Are you sure the resource fork was copied over when you copied your stack to the SheepShaver disk? -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > ... Are you sure the resource fork was copied over > when you copied your stack to the SheepShaver disk? Yes, with my custom cursors, icons, XFCNs XCMDs and other additional ressources... But I cannot see any other cursor than the arrow, built-in cursors included: Ibeam, hand, busy, watch, cross, etc. -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain DeleteThis @bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > ... Are you sure the resource fork was copied over > > when you copied your stack to the SheepShaver disk? > > Yes, with my custom cursors, icons, XFCNs XCMDs > and other additional ressources... > > But I cannot see any other cursor than the arrow, > built-in cursors included: Ibeam, hand, busy, watch, > cross, etc. There is no major difference between e.g. hand and your own custom cursors. They work the same way. I am quite sure that SheepShaver isn't the problem. How did you check that the resource fork is copied over correctly? How are you checking the availability of the cursors in HyperCard? -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > How did you check that the resource fork is copied over correctly? Inside Sheepshaver, with Resedit, I can inspect all the ressources available in System, Hypercard and stacks files. > How are you checking the availability of the cursors in HyperCard? I have some scripts in some stacks working fine with my iBook G3, using "set cursor to cross", "set cursor to busy", etc. The same stacks and scripts inside Seepshaver work fine too, but the cursor always stays with the arrow shape. -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain.RemoveThis@bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > How did you check that the resource fork is copied over correctly? > > Inside Sheepshaver, with Resedit, I can inspect all the > ressources available in System, Hypercard and stacks files. > > > How are you checking the availability of the cursors in HyperCard? > > I have some scripts in some stacks working fine with my > iBook G3, using "set cursor to cross", "set cursor to busy", etc. > > The same stacks and scripts inside Seepshaver work fine too, > but the cursor always stays with the arrow shape. Which version of SheepShaver are you using? I am using version 2.3 for Mac Intel. Also, I am using HyperCard 2.4.1 and system 8.6. I have tried several SheepShaver configurations, changing the prefs, but nothing caused a problem with the cursor. Perhaps you could to a test with a new stack and if you encounter the same problems, you could send that test stack to me. -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > Which version of SheepShaver are you using? I am using version 2.3 for > Mac Intel. Also, I am using HyperCard 2.4.1 and system 8.6. The freshest 2.3 Sheepshaver for MacIntel and HC 2.4.1 too. I use a Mac OS 9.0.4 with them. > Perhaps you could to a test with a new stack and if you encounter the > same problems, you could send that test stack to me. Yes, I have test that this morning with a fresh special standalone stack, and I have the same behaviour: OK on my iBook G3 under Classic, and the "cursor problem" under Sheepshaver. hers is the stack: http://sylvain.bouju.googlepages.com/cursors.zip I add here that all the wanted cursors stand in the System ressources, of course... -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain RemoveThis @bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > http://sylvain.bouju.googlepages.com/cursors.zip Hi Sylvain, I have tested the standalone and it works fine. I can see all HyperCard cursors. Aren't you using any custom cursors? Those were not included in the standalone. -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > Aren't you using any custom cursors? Those were not included in the > standalone. No, I don't use cusom cursors (I was wong in my first msg). So, no cursor in the standalone was normal. All cursors I (want to) use are Mac OS System cursors. -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain DeleteThis @bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > No, I don't use cusom cursors (I was wong in my first msg). > So, no cursor in the standalone was normal. > > All cursors I (want to) use are Mac OS System cursors. For now, I would conclude that it is a PPC-specific problem connected to SheepShaver. On Mac PPC, you could also install Basilisk. Perhaps, it will solve the problem, if it is worth the hassle. To test whether there is a PPC-specific problem, I decided to install HyperCard on SheepShaver for PPC on my old PowerMac G3. Surprisingly, I am unable to start HyperCard on that Mac. Each time when I start the HyperCard application, SheepShaver freezes with a spinning beachball of death. Maybe you are lucky to be able to run HC on SheepShaver for PPC and you should accept this cursor problem as a minor inconvenience. I still wonder why you don't simply install Mac OS 9 on your iBook and run HyperCard in the Classic environment...? -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > Maybe you are lucky to be able to run HC on SheepShaver for PPC and you > should accept this cursor problem as a minor inconvenience. Yes, I accept it as a minor problem, regarding the big advantage to have only one computer (my current MacBook) in place of three, a recent Macintosh for fun, an older one for a professional software under Hypercard, and a PC for another Windows only professional program (I currently use this one with no problem on my MacBook under a Vmware Fusion + W2K Pro environment) > I still wonder why you don't simply install Mac OS 9 on your iBook and > run HyperCard in the Classic environment...? I did that, since 2004, but now, the iBook have some hardware problems (screen backlight). And I really enjoy to have only one computer to do everything I need, even with more or less minor inconveniences. -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain.TakeThisOut@bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > Maybe you are lucky to be able to run HC on SheepShaver for PPC and you > > should accept this cursor problem as a minor inconvenience. > > Yes, I accept it as a minor problem, regarding the big advantage > to have only one computer (my current MacBook) in place of three, > a recent Macintosh for fun, an older one for a professional software > under Hypercard, and a PC for another Windows only professional > program (I currently use this one with no problem on my MacBook > under a Vmware Fusion + W2K Pro environment) > > > > I still wonder why you don't simply install Mac OS 9 on your iBook and > > run HyperCard in the Classic environment...? > > I did that, since 2004, but now, the iBook have some hardware > problems (screen backlight). And I really enjoy to have only one > computer to do everything I need, even with more or less minor > inconveniences. You didn't tell me that you're using a MacBook now. If you are using HC 2.4.1 in combination with the latest SheepSaver version, like me, then the system version is the only difference. Maybe you should try to install a different system or a fresh system. I am using 8.5 on my MacBook (thought it was 8.6, but that's on another machine) and HC 2.4.1 works fine. -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > You didn't tell me that you're using a MacBook now... Sorry to have ommit this only good reason to use Sheepshaver;-) > If you are using HC > 2.4.1 in combination with the latest SheepSaver version, like me, then > the system version is the only difference. Maybe you should try to > install a different system or a fresh system. I am using 8.5 on my > MacBook (thought it was 8.6, but that's on another machine) and HC 2.4.1 > works fine. Yes, I shall try to downgrade to a fresh 8.5 - 8.6 asap (I have the green original CD), as well as a 8.1 too, which was very stable, I remember. Thank you for all, -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article , syl_vain.DeleteThis@bou_ju.net (Sylvain Bouju) wrote: > > Yes, I shall try to downgrade to a fresh 8.5 - 8.6 asap (I have > the green original CD), as well as a 8.1 too, which was very > stable, I remember. > > Thank you for all, OK. Please,let me know how it works out. -- Mark Economy-x-Talk Have your own custom software created http://economy-x-talk.com >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

Sylvain Bouju

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Hypercard and SheepShaver [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark wrote: > OK. Please,let me know how it works out. Just tested with a fresh and clean Mac OS 8.6 installation, but with exactly the same cursor problem... -- Sylvain Bouju -- >> Stay informed about: Hypercard and SheepShaver

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