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TH O

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:21 pm
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Barry Margolin

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:58 pm
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mikePOST RemoveThis @TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
> > > > > [...] It was a shame to see Thoth development stop and it would be
> > > > > too bad if MT Newswatcher development stops. It's too bad that the
> > > > > authors couldn't consider moving their programs to an opensource
> > > > > development so that others could help keep the programs moving
> > > > > forward
> > > >
> > > > It's not up to Simon. MT-NW is based on John Norstad's code for the
> > > > original NewsWatcher, which is owned by Northwestern University.
> > >
> > > This hasn't prevented Simon from making changes to it for years. Why
> > > would it stop him now?
> > >
> > > Are you suggesting that he's had to ask NWU for permission every time he
> > > considers making enhancements and fixes, and this time they refused to
> > > allow him?
> >
> > Well, Sander's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...
>
> Um, am I the only one reading this sub-thread correctly, or am I the
> only one reading it _incorrectly_?
>
> As I read it, TH O said he wished Simon and Brian would make MT-NW and
> Thoth open source projects, and Sander's response about John Norstad
> Northwestern was specifically related to that, not to Simon's own
> changes.

I thought you were responding to "it would be too bad if MT Newswatcher
development stops", not "moving their programs to an opensource
development".

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Sander Tekelenburg

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:14 am
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Barry Margolin wrote:

> In article ,
> Sander Tekelenburg wrote:

[... making MT-NW open source]

> > It's not up to Simon. MT-NW is based on John Norstad's code for the
> > original NewsWatcher, which is owned by Northwestern University.
>
> [...] Are you suggesting that he's had to ask NWU for permission every time he
> considers making enhancements and fixes, and this time they refused to
> allow him?

No. I mean that, as I understood it, Northwestern's license limits
Simon's possibilities in picking a license for MT-NW.

IANAL and haven't read that license, but I recall multiple discussions
on this here in the past (in which Simon participated, I believe), that
concluded that Northwestern's license prohibits MT-NW from going open
source (as long as it contains original NewsWatcher code, of course).

No doubt Simon could make his own code open source. (How useful that
would be is another issue. I's probably quite interwoven with whatever
Norstad code still there.)

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Dylan Winslow

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:37 pm
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Sander Tekelenburg

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:28 pm
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Dylan Winslow wrote:

> On 2007-11-17 17:14:12 -0700, Sander Tekelenburg said:

[...]

> > I recall multiple discussions
> > on this here in the past (in which Simon participated, I believe), that
> > concluded that Northwestern's license prohibits MT-NW from going open
> > source (as long as it contains original NewsWatcher code, of course). [...]
>
> As far as I know, this was Simon Fraser's most recent comment on the subject:

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.apps/browse_thread/thread/cb
5a07d0d176880a/d691e01cbc9aad7f?lnk=st&q=#d691e01cbc9aad7f>

Thanks for digging that up. Glad to see there's nothing wrong with my
memory yet Smile

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Leonard Blaisdell

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:18 pm
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Barry Margolin wrote:

> This hasn't prevented Simon from making changes to it for years. Why
> would it stop him now?
>
> Are you suggesting that he's had to ask NWU for permission every time he
> considers making enhancements and fixes, and this time they refused to
> allow him?

I suggest that the freeware aspect of MT-NW with an appreciated donation
isn't enough incentive. As far a Mr. Norstadt's full NW code is
involved, I downloaded it a few years ago and was intellectually
incapable of doing anything with it. I assume it's still freely
available if you can find it. And after all, Mr. Fraser has released an
update very recently FWIW.

leo
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