MT-Newswatcher feature request

In article ,
Lou Pecora wrote:

> In article ,
> Sander Tekelenburg wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > Lionel Mychkine wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Many of my filters are not set with an expiration date (for
> > > exemple posts from a contributor that I don't want to read or
> > > posts from a contributor that I highlight with a hight priority
> > > ans a special color). If a contributor doesn't post any more, I
> > > can't see it and the filter stays set forever.
> >
> > You have no way of knowing that someone will never post anymore.
> > All you can know is he hasn't posted for x amount of time. So if
> > you configure the fiter to expire after y amount of time non-use,
> > you have the result you're looking for, no?
>
> I cannot understand why people cannot see what Lionel wants. Perhaps
> we are wording it poorly. How can you predict what y should be?
> That goal is to delete filters that have not been used in X months,
> say. But you don't know when the filter was last used (or if
> MTNewswatcher gives this information, please tell me). So you have
> to guess y and then the filter may expire, but still be useful. So
> you have to reset it.
>
> Can you see what we're asking? I do not want to reset filters still
> in use, but I do want to delete those no longer used. Just setting
> the filter to expire in some number of months (y) doesn't do that.

I'm sorry, Lou, but it seems like you're somehow finding a significant
difference between six and a half-dozen.
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In article ,
Lou Pecora wrote:

> In article ,
> Alice Faber wrote:
>
> > Every filter that I have with an automatic expiration date shows, under
> > the Advanced tab, when it will expire if it isn't used again. So, one I
> > just checked says December 13. Since my default filter setting is 10
> > days after last use, all I have to do is subtract 10 and I know that
> > filter was used on December 3.
>
> Well, we're partly there. Thank you Ms. Faber. I didn't know MTN had
> this feature. This would do automatically what Lionel wants. Well,
> partially, he wants to do each delete manually based on his judgement.
> See?

The only case where I can see this being a useful thing is if you set
the expiration time, but it turns out that the relevant messages appear
less frequently than you expected, so the filter expired too soon. When
I see a message show up that I know I filtered a while ago, I just
create a new filter and turn off the expiration (I have expiration set
in my default filter settings).

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In article ,
Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Well, I can see the difference as it applies to human effort, but not as
> to results.

It doesn't matter, Michelle. The OP is a user, he wants it to work that
way, and that's the way he wants it. He's not asking for work-arounds
or equivalent methods.

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In article (Dans l'article) , Lionel
Mychkine wrote (écrivait) :

> It would be great to know which date the filter has been used for the
> last time...

I'm using a Newsreader with this feature and I find it useful.
Just as info...

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In article ,
Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article ,
> Lou Pecora wrote:
>
> > ???? But I have the situation of not knowing when it was last used.
> > Or does MTNewswatcher do that and I am missing it? I thought that
> > "last use" date was what Lionel wanted. Me, too. Please tell me if
> > MTN gives that. Thank you.
>
> It does, but only implicitly. It tells you the date it will expire, and
> you can work backwards from there.
>
> For instance, I have a filter that is set to expire three months after
> last use. The dialog tells me that it will expire on Feb 7, 2008. That
> means that it was last used Nov 7, 2007. It also tells me that it has
> been used 71 times since Oct 13, 2007.

OK, got that. Thank you.

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In article ,
Tim McNamara wrote:

> In article ,
> Lou Pecora wrote:
> >
> > Can you see what we're asking? I do not want to reset filters still
> > in use, but I do want to delete those no longer used. Just setting
> > the filter to expire in some number of months (y) doesn't do that.
>
> I'm sorry, Lou, but it seems like you're somehow finding a significant
> difference between six and a half-dozen.

Well, that could be. I've done worse. I do understand as has been
pointed out that one can set the filter to expire X days after last use
(MT has that feature). But Lionel wanted to do the deletion manually.
Sometimes I do, too. I don't want it to go away automatically, but I
want to look at the list of filters and see for myself (no back
calculations) when each filter was last used and then at that point
decide if I want to delete it. We're just asking whether direct, easy
manual handling is possible without trying to decide ahead of time on an
expiration time.

It's not a big thing, but I can see that I might want to manually handle
things at times. You've all been pointing out that this can be done,
but in very round about way. Thank you for that. Sorry to be so slow to
see it. I was just pushing for manual handling all the way which,
apparently, can't be done without a lot of messing with automatic
deletion times and some mental math as you look over the filters in the
Advanced Tab.

OK. That closes the topic for me. Thanks, again.

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In article ,
Lou Pecora wrote:

> It's not a big thing, but I can see that I might want to manually handle
> things at times. You've all been pointing out that this can be done,
> but in very round about way. Thank you for that. Sorry to be so slow to
> see it. I was just pushing for manual handling all the way which,
> apparently, can't be done without a lot of messing with automatic
> deletion times and some mental math as you look over the filters in the
> Advanced Tab.

You can manually cut the filters file in Windows -> Show Filters List.
It gives no information other than the filter itself within the
newsgroup hierarchy. I know that's not what was asked either. I used to
have 60 filters. I only have 31 now thanks to this thread. I could
probably get by with two until the next time someone irks me enough.

leo
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