Question about Hotmail and Mail Stationery

In article , Jolly
Roger wrote:

> In article ,
> Mirsky wrote:
>
> > Hi. I created a custom stationery template for Mail and it works fine,
> > for the most part. It displays properly in gmail, yahoo and aol.
> > However, it does not display properly in Hotmail. Where the images
> > should be there is an icon with a question mark. There is a little
> > paper clip icon too, indicating that the images were sent as
> > attachments, but I can't figure out how to view or download them.
> > Nothing happens when I click it. Also, Hotmail does recognize other
> > HTML emails, such as spam from Phoenix Unversity Online; Hotmail asks
> > if I want to load the images, and then the HTML mail displays properly.
> > But with the Mail stationery I sent, Hotmail does not ask if I want to
> > load the images. Also, this problem occurs with all Mail messages that
> > use stationery, not just the one I made. It's possible that I am
> > confused on how to use Hotmail but I thought I'd post here to see if
> > someone has suggestions.
>
> Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
> horrible idea to me.

Personally I don't like HTML emails either ... BUT the images in HTML
emails don't actually have to be attachments (although that does seem to
be how most stationery options work unfortauntely). Images can be stored
and accessed from a Internet storage space instead - that may or may not
get around Mirsky's Hotmail problem.
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On 2011-11-06 02:18:41 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
> horrible idea to me.

Yeah, I can understand that. I'd never used the HTML stationery before
for various reasons.

But I created one of my own with a caricature of myself and a word
balloon, emanating from the caricature, that contained the body of the
message. It was really only for fun and I'll use it sparingly.
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yourname.DeleteThis@yourisp.com (Your Name) writes:
> In article , Jolly
> Roger wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Mirsky wrote:

>> > But with the Mail stationery I sent, Hotmail does not ask if I want to
>> > load the images. Also, this problem occurs with all Mail messages that

>> Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
>> horrible idea to me.

> BUT the images in HTML
> emails don't actually have to be attachments (although that does seem to
> be how most stationery options work unfortauntely). Images can be stored
> and accessed from a Internet storage space instead - that may or may not
> get around Mirsky's Hotmail problem.

In some ways, that's even *worse*. Remote images are one of
the ways that spammers figure out if their mail is going to
humans or not.

Moreover, if it's a useful message, and it gets archived,
chances are that the images won't be and the server on
which the images lives will not be there feeding those
images out forever. So they are, at best, temporary.

Unfortunately, remote images are amazingly common and at
this point, if you turn rendering of remote images off,
an enormous amount of one's mail may come in looking like
crap. On the desktop (ie. Mail.app), you can flip the
switch and turn of rendering of remote images by default
and when you actually do want to see them, there's a handy
button you can hit right there to show them.

On the iOS devices, however, they're either all off or all
on. You can't easily see remote images on a one-off basis.

Anyway, as far as I know, there's no trivial way for
typical users to send mail with remote images, since
the typical user isn't running a server to feed the
images out.


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On 2011-11-06 02:18:41 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
> horrible idea to me.

As I just posted, I am not planning to use the stationery much at all.

But the images in the stationery I made are only about 50K total, so
it's not really filling up people's mailboxes.
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In article ,
Mirsky wrote:

> On 2011-11-06 02:18:41 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
> > Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
> > horrible idea to me.
>
> As I just posted, I am not planning to use the stationery much at all.
>
> But the images in the stationery I made are only about 50K total, so
> it's not really filling up people's mailboxes.

50K is more than I would want from anyone just because they want
froufrou graphics displayed in their emails.

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In article , BreadWithSpam.RemoveThis@fractious.net
wrote:

> yourname.RemoveThis@yourisp.com (Your Name) writes:
> > In article , Jolly
> > Roger wrote:
> >> In article ,
> >> Mirsky wrote:
>
> >> > But with the Mail stationery I sent, Hotmail does not ask if I want to
> >> > load the images. Also, this problem occurs with all Mail messages that
>
> >> Filling up other people's mailboxes with image attachments seems like a
> >> horrible idea to me.
>
> > BUT the images in HTML
> > emails don't actually have to be attachments (although that does seem to
> > be how most stationery options work unfortauntely). Images can be stored
> > and accessed from a Internet storage space instead - that may or may not
> > get around Mirsky's Hotmail problem.
>
> In some ways, that's even *worse*. Remote images are one of
> the ways that spammers figure out if their mail is going to
> humans or not.
>
> Moreover, if it's a useful message, and it gets archived,
> chances are that the images won't be and the server on
> which the images lives will not be there feeding those
> images out forever. So they are, at best, temporary.
>
> Unfortunately, remote images are amazingly common and at
> this point, if you turn rendering of remote images off,
> an enormous amount of one's mail may come in looking like
> crap. On the desktop (ie. Mail.app), you can flip the
> switch and turn of rendering of remote images by default
> and when you actually do want to see them, there's a handy
> button you can hit right there to show them.
>
> On the iOS devices, however, they're either all off or all
> on. You can't easily see remote images on a one-off basis.
>
> Anyway, as far as I know, there's no trivial way for
> typical users to send mail with remote images, since
> the typical user isn't running a server to feed the
> images out.

You don't need your own server. There's plenty of image hosting services
out there, some free and some you pay for.
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