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Quinton Oliver Parker

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:49 am
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Jolly Roger

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:53 pm
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In article ,
Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:

> On 2008-12-25 00:01:17 -0500, Jolly Roger said:
>
> > In article ,
> > Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:
> >
> >> On 2008-12-24 21:03:22 -0500, Jolly Roger said:
> >>
> >>> I own Unison.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't consider Unison's kill file system to be "decent" at all -
> >>> certainly nowhere near as useful as MacSoup's!
> >>>
> >>> And Unison definitely has no way of quickly seeing, at a glance or
> >>> otherwise, whether someone has followed up to a post of yours.
> >>
> >> -- Self-defined rules.
> >
> > What about self-defined rules?
> >
> > Unison's rules are simple and mostly useless in comparison with
> > MacSoup's filters. You can't filter on most NNTP headers with Unison.
> > This is not the case with MacSoup.
>
> Ok. No further discussion on this item.
> My filtering needs are rather simple, though, so Unison is fine.

Whether or not Unison is fine for *your* needs isn't relevant. Victor
Eijkhout started this thread by stating he wanted:

"Decent killfile system (in fact, that's where MacSoup is a tad
clunky)."

It's clear to see he wants something better than what MacSoup provides.
MacSoup's filtering capabilities make Unison look like a toy.

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filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

JR

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Jolly Roger

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:56 pm
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In article ,
Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:

> On 2008-12-25 00:01:17 -0500, Jolly Roger said:
>
> > In article ,
> > Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:
> >
> >> -- Group/Ungroup messages.
> >
> > What about grouping and ungrouping messages? All decent news clients can
> > do that.
> >
> > What Victor wants is a way to quickly (at a glance) distinguish between
> > replies to his posts from replies to other people's posts in a given
> > thread. With Unison, one must open and read each post in a thread to see
> > if it's a reply to one of your posts. In MacSoup and other more robust
> > news clients, you can create filters that will colorize or otherwise
> > mark posts that are replies to your own posts, so you can see, at a
> > glance, which are of particular interest to you.
> >
> >> IMO, incorrect to both responses. Sorry.
> >
> > IMO, you are incorrect to both responses. Sorry.
>
> I yeild to one, only.

Too bad, so sad. You're still incorrect on both responses. Sorry.

> The heirarchial view when grouped, needs only a click
> onto a thread's primary message to reveal responses
> and their senders. One click seems easy enough.

Again, whether or not it's good enough for *you* isn't relevant. Victor
Eijkhout is the person who started this thread, and he stated he wants:

"Easy way to find whether someone has followed up to a post of mine,
and where that post is. (MacSoup puts a mark in front of any group that
has followups to posts of mine. Brilliant.)"

He specifically mentions that he appreciates MacSoup's behavior of
marking followups to your own posts, and he wants something similar or
better. Unison does not provide this. Therefore, you are incorrect in
your recommendation of Unison. Period. End of discussion.

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filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
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Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

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Jolly Roger

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:59 pm
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In article ,
Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:

> On 2008-12-25 00:01:17 -0500, Jolly Roger said:
>
> > In article ,
> > Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:
> >
> >> And what's with the "Google" group tag?
> >
> > Which tag would that be, exactly?
>
> This one:
> --
> Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
> E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
> filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
> messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
> Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.
>
> JR

That's not a "tag". It's my signature.

Now I know you're asking about my signature; but I'm still unclear as to
your question about it. What do you mean by: what's with the "Google"
group [signature]?

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Quinton Oliver Parker

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:41 am
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:42 am
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Jolly Roger

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:15 am
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In article ,
Quinton Oliver Parker wrote:

> My goodness. I arrive back home from a Christmas vacation
> to find a triple reply to what should have been Victor's
> place to reply or not, to try Unison or not.

Of course it's his place to reply. And he *did* reply to try Unison.

It's also perfectly reasonable for others to critique his suggestion.

If you truly want the specific things you asked for in your initial
post, then it's clear to anyone who knows Unison you will *not* be
satisfied with it as a news reader. I've actually used Unison and
compared it with other more capable news readers; so I know where Unison
falls short. It is perfectly "in my place" to point this out in this
public forum.

> Jeez.

Don't get too bent out of shape about it. We tend to prefer technically
correct answers over fluff here. This is Usenet, after all. ; )


> I think you need to spend some more time in the other room;
> you know, the one with the big blue ceiling.

As human beings, I think we all can use more time outside - you
included. : )

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Hylton Boothroyd

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:38 am
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Victor Eijkhout wrote:

> MacSoup is also getting a bit stale. For instance, it doesn't support
> Services. I use that quite often.
>
> But upgrade I will.

After which, you may find yourself in a bright new world.

In MacSOUP 2.8.2 (on my Intel MacMini under OS 10.4.11) highlighting a
text segment leads to
- 36 services offering themselves,
- 1 service remaining greyed: Import Image.

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Victor Eijkhout

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:59 am
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Hylton Boothroyd wrote:

> Victor Eijkhout wrote:
>
> > MacSoup is also getting a bit stale. For instance, it doesn't support
> > Services. I use that quite often.
> >
> > But upgrade I will.
>
> After which, you may find yourself in a bright new world.
>
> In MacSOUP 2.8.2 (on my Intel MacMini under OS 10.4.11) highlighting a
> text segment leads to
> - 36 services offering themselves,
> - 1 service remaining greyed: Import Image.

Indeed. Life is good again.

Victor.
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