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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:37 pm
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Serious; in my case, it wasn't marked as spam, so it wound up in my in
> box.
I remember it now; I actually read it, the prose intrigued me, Loveth
and she'd seen my profile and will like to know me more. What happens if
one actually replies to Loveth? What does the spammer get out of it? You
have a real email address with your real name on it, so in your case you
might wind up with more annoying emails, but Warren Oates doesn't exist
to get any real email. I even have that account set to immediately
delete anything with an attachment.
Do I smell Zara here? He was forging my email address in his posts for a
while, until I complained to his ISP.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 pm
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The New guy wrote:
>>>> If 80k is the max than 80k it is. So you divide the kilobits per second
>>>> by about 8 I guess.
>>> Yep. There are 8 bits in a byte. So 600 kilobits divided by 8 equals 75
>>> kilobytes.
>> Depends on whether or you can (or want to) ignore overhead.
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> Overhead? There always has to be a smartypants in the crowd to
> complicate things....lol. So what's overhead?
I'd be interested in a good guide on how to calculate it. I can see it
would not be straightforward, and bigger single files would have less
overall. Any pointers? Some kind of counter that I can set to zero and
then have it measure all my traffic would be nice.
Searches have brought me plenty of 'calculators' and stuff, plus
estimates for the overhead on a single file size, but my search
techniques are otherwise lacking.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 pm
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> >>>> If 80k is the max than 80k it is. So you divide the kilobits per second
> >>>> by about 8 I guess.
> >>> Yep. There are 8 bits in a byte. So 600 kilobits divided by 8 equals 75
> >>> kilobytes.
> >> Depends on whether or you can (or want to) ignore overhead.
> > Overhead? There always has to be a smartypants in the crowd to
> > complicate things....lol. So what's overhead?
> I'd be interested in a good guide on how to calculate it. I can see it
> would not be straightforward, and bigger single files would have less
> overall. Any pointers? Some kind of counter that I can set to zero and
> then have it measure all my traffic would be nice.
>
> Searches have brought me plenty of 'calculators' and stuff, plus
> estimates for the overhead on a single file size, but my search
> techniques are otherwise lacking.
Does this discussion have anything to do with the fact that when I send
3 2.5mb pictures via email the total size of the message is
significantly more than 7.5mb? >> Stay informed about: Easy FTP? |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 pm
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The New guy wrote:
> > >>>> If 80k is the max than 80k it is. So you divide the kilobits per
> > >>>> second
> > >>>> by about 8 I guess.
>
> > >>> Yep. There are 8 bits in a byte. So 600 kilobits divided by 8 equals
> > >>> 75
> > >>> kilobytes.
>
> > >> Depends on whether or you can (or want to) ignore overhead.
>
> > > Overhead? There always has to be a smartypants in the crowd to
> > > complicate things....lol. So what's overhead?
>
> > I'd be interested in a good guide on how to calculate it. I can see it
> > would not be straightforward, and bigger single files would have less
> > overall. Any pointers? Some kind of counter that I can set to zero and
> > then have it measure all my traffic would be nice.
> >
> > Searches have brought me plenty of 'calculators' and stuff, plus
> > estimates for the overhead on a single file size, but my search
> > techniques are otherwise lacking.
>
> Does this discussion have anything to do with the fact that when I send
> 3 2.5mb pictures via email the total size of the message is
> significantly more than 7.5mb?
Are you sending HTML email or plain text?
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 pm
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In article
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Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article ,
> The New guy wrote:
>
> > > >>>> If 80k is the max than 80k it is. So you divide the kilobits per
> > > >>>> second
> > > >>>> by about 8 I guess.
> >
> > > >>> Yep. There are 8 bits in a byte. So 600 kilobits divided by 8 equals
> > > >>> 75
> > > >>> kilobytes.
> >
> > > >> Depends on whether or you can (or want to) ignore overhead.
> >
> > > > Overhead? There always has to be a smartypants in the crowd to
> > > > complicate things....lol. So what's overhead?
> >
> > > I'd be interested in a good guide on how to calculate it. I can see it
> > > would not be straightforward, and bigger single files would have less
> > > overall. Any pointers? Some kind of counter that I can set to zero and
> > > then have it measure all my traffic would be nice.
> > >
> > > Searches have brought me plenty of 'calculators' and stuff, plus
> > > estimates for the overhead on a single file size, but my search
> > > techniques are otherwise lacking.
> >
> > Does this discussion have anything to do with the fact that when I send
> > 3 2.5mb pictures via email the total size of the message is
> > significantly more than 7.5mb?
>
> Are you sending HTML email or plain text?
Rich text (I think that is HTML). I just tried sending some pics using
both and the size of the email message was the same. Should it be
different? >> Stay informed about: Easy FTP? |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 pm
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In article ,
The New guy wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > The New guy wrote:
> >
> > > > >>>> If 80k is the max than 80k it is. So you divide the kilobits per
> > > > >>>> second
> > > > >>>> by about 8 I guess.
> > >
> > > > >>> Yep. There are 8 bits in a byte. So 600 kilobits divided by 8
> > > > >>> equals
> > > > >>> 75
> > > > >>> kilobytes.
> > >
> > > > >> Depends on whether or you can (or want to) ignore overhead.
> > >
> > > > > Overhead? There always has to be a smartypants in the crowd to
> > > > > complicate things....lol. So what's overhead?
> > >
> > > > I'd be interested in a good guide on how to calculate it. I can see it
> > > > would not be straightforward, and bigger single files would have less
> > > > overall. Any pointers? Some kind of counter that I can set to zero and
> > > > then have it measure all my traffic would be nice.
> > > >
> > > > Searches have brought me plenty of 'calculators' and stuff, plus
> > > > estimates for the overhead on a single file size, but my search
> > > > techniques are otherwise lacking.
> > >
> > > Does this discussion have anything to do with the fact that when I send
> > > 3 2.5mb pictures via email the total size of the message is
> > > significantly more than 7.5mb?
> >
> > Are you sending HTML email or plain text?
>
> Rich text (I think that is HTML). I just tried sending some pics using
> both and the size of the email message was the same. Should it be
> different?
E-mail is not a binary transfer mechanism. Images contain arbitrary
8-bit symbols which must be encoded to a 7-bit ASCII character stream
which is consistent with the SMTP protocol.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:24 pm
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:47 pm
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:40 pm
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:34 pm
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In article ,
The New guy wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Jolly Roger wrote:
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> > Are you sending HTML email or plain text?
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> Rich text (I think that is HTML). I just tried sending some pics using
> both and the size of the email message was the same. Should it be
> different?
There's no way the *message* sizes were exactly the same. The size of
HTML messages are always 2-4 times larger than the same message in plain
text.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:25 am
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 1. It validates the address, so the spammer can sell it to UCE spammers.
> 2. It could be a sting operation, where Loveth says she's under age and
> agrees to meet you somewhere, and it turns out to be a cop.
> 3. It could be a blackmail operation--similar to a sting, but you're
> caught in a compromising position and blackmailed.
> 4. Loveth might wind up asking for money for any of a number of
> reasons, but it's really a con game.
I'm no liable to fall for any of those. Teenage girls, for instance,
didn't appeal to me even when I was a teenage boy. My first girl-friends
were in their 20s, and I've always liked, er, someone who's been around
the block a few times, as it were, so to speak and after a fashion, as
you might say to coin a phrase.
Blackmail. I can see it now: "Warren, who's this Loveth person you've
been giving money to?" "What, well, um, that's the pool boy, my sweet
...."
And I have all sorts of email addresses that lead into black holes.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:27 pm
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:33 pm
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> You would be surprised by how many people do fall for it. None of us
> here on this newsgroup would, of course. 
Oh, I know that people fall for stuff, and that mostly it's because of
[insert name of current pres of USA]; I hadn't really thought of the
"sting" options before, since I always assumed that spammers were after
some sort of monetary gain.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:49 am
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Warren Oates wrote:
> In article ,
> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> Serious; in my case, it wasn't marked as spam, so it wound up in my in
>> box.
>
> I remember it now; I actually read it, the prose intrigued me, Loveth
> and she'd seen my profile and will like to know me more. What happens if
> one actually replies to Loveth? What does the spammer get out of it? You
> have a real email address with your real name on it, so in your case you
> might wind up with more annoying emails, but Warren Oates doesn't exist
> to get any real email. I even have that account set to immediately
> delete anything with an attachment.
>
> Do I smell Zara here? He was forging my email address in his posts for a
> while, until I complained to his ISP.
I hope you didn't delete the message. Vivian Anthony is apparently
legitimate.
http://www.stop-scammers.com/letter.asp?id=887
I once replied to a similar message. I got a reply with the URL to her
website. There, she said she was an innocent college sophomore who
loved to pose. It was very important to her to protect minors from her
innocent pictures, so anyone who wanted to see would have to provide a
credit-card number as proof of age.
It was disappointing to realize she was sincere. I had been hoping to
discover the whole thing was a delightful prank by some unknown friend. >> Stay informed about: Easy FTP? |
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